{"id":3240,"date":"2024-09-10T11:26:17","date_gmt":"2024-09-10T11:26:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ernstkers.nl\/blog\/?p=3240"},"modified":"2025-08-19T10:33:05","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T10:33:05","slug":"323-362-grandes-semi-convertiveis-saloons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ernstkers.nl\/blog\/323-362-grandes-semi-convertiveis-saloons\/","title":{"rendered":"323-362 Grandes semi-convertiveis – Saloons"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

These saloon bogie cars were the first Lisboa cars of the patented Brill \u201cgrooveless post\u201d semi-convertible design which proved very suitable in Lisboa’s sunny climate. The window sashes slid upwards into the coving of the clerestory roof. Of these forty tramcars twenty bodies were made by Brill and the other twenty by John Stephenson of New York, since 1905 a subsidiary of Brill. The bogies were all made by Brill. The motors and controllers were all made by General Electric.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

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Brill works photo of tramcar no.323.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Brill works photo of the interior of tramcar no.323.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In 1932\/3 the bodies of eight of these trams were replaced by new bodies of the extended Standard type. These trams had on the roofs at each side six ventilators in hemispheric housings. In 1937 one more followed. Also a large open tram, no.305, got an extended Standard type body. These last two tramcars had on the roofs at each side four ventilators in flat housings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Numbers<\/th>323-342<\/th>343-362<\/th>305, 327, 328, 329, 338, 340<\/th>350, 353, 355, 356<\/th><\/tr><\/thead>
Body<\/td>Brill<\/td>Stephenson<\/td>Carris<\/td>Carris<\/td><\/tr>
Length<\/td>11.78 m<\/td>12.09 m<\/td>11.58 m<\/td>11.58 m<\/td><\/tr>
Width<\/td>2.36 m<\/td>2.36 m<\/td>2.38 m<\/td>2.38 m<\/td><\/tr>
Floor height<\/td>94 cm<\/td>97 cm<\/td>92 cm<\/td>96 cm<\/td><\/tr>
Platform height<\/td>74 cm<\/td>74 cm<\/td>75 cm<\/td>80 cm<\/td><\/tr>
Weight<\/td>13.5 t<\/td>17.5 t<\/td>13.3 t<\/td>17.6 t<\/td><\/tr>
Seats<\/td>40<\/td>40<\/td>40<\/td>40<\/td><\/tr>
Standing<\/td>21<\/td>21<\/td>21<\/td>21<\/td><\/tr>
Trucks<\/td>22E<\/td>27GE1<\/td>22E<\/td>27GE1<\/td><\/tr>
Pivot distance<\/td>5.90 m<\/td>5.49 m<\/td>5.90 m<\/td>5.49 m<\/td><\/tr>
Wheel base trucks<\/td>1.22 m<\/td>1.37 m<\/td>1.22 m<\/td>1.37 m<\/td><\/tr>
Wheel base overall<\/td>6.21 m<\/td>6.86 m<\/td>6.21 m<\/td>6.86 m<\/td><\/tr>
Wt ratio main\/pony wheels<\/td>3:1<\/td>na<\/td>3:1<\/td>na<\/td><\/tr>
Wheel \u00f8<\/td>85 cm<\/td>85 cm<\/td>85 cm<\/td>85 cm<\/td><\/tr>
Pony \u00f8<\/td>52 cm<\/td>na<\/td>52 cm<\/td>na<\/td><\/tr>
Motors<\/td>2x GE59<\/td>4x GE59<\/td>2x GE59<\/td>4x GE59<\/td><\/tr>
Controllers<\/td>GE B 18C<\/td>GE K 28B<\/td>GE B 18C<\/td>GE K 28B<\/td><\/tr>
Wheel brakes<\/td>Manual, rheostatic<\/td>Manual, air<\/td>Manual, air<\/td>Manual, air<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tram no.336 on Pra\u00e7a do Com\u00e9rcio, 30 June 1949.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The remaining 31 trams got around 1960 a major overhaul that included replacement of a most of their body parts. With only eight trams the old clerestory roof was retained, the other 23 got a new arch type roof.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

No.<\/th>In service<\/th>New body<\/th>Withdrawn<\/th>Type after 1961<\/th><\/tr><\/thead>
305<\/strong><\/td>1902 as open tram<\/td>1936<\/td>1994<\/td>Standard, flat ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
323<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
324<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
325<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>ca.1991<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
326<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1993<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
327<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td>1937<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, flat ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
328<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
329<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
330<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1993<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
331<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>ca.1991<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
332<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
333<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>ca.1991<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
334<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
335<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>ca.1991<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
336<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
337<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
338<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
339<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
340<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
341<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
342<\/strong><\/td>1906<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
343<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
344<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>ca.1991<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
345<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
346<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
347<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
348<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Clerestory roof<\/td><\/tr>
349<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
350<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
351<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
352<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
353<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td>1933<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
354<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>ca.1991<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
355<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
356<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td>1932<\/td>1995<\/td>Standard, hemispheric ventilators<\/td><\/tr>
357<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
358<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
359<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
360<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
361<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1996<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr>
362<\/strong><\/td>1907<\/td><\/td>1995<\/td>Arch roof<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no.332 with clerestory roof and 22E bogies Santo Amaro depot, June 1993.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no.335 with reconstructed body, arch roof and 22E bogies, Cais do Sodr\u00e9 June 1993.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no.329 with stretched Standard body, hemispheric ventilators and 22E bogies, Pra\u00e7a do Com\u00e9rcio June 1993.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no. 327 with stretched Standard body, flat ventilators and 22E bogies, Martim Moniz June 1994<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no.348 with clerestory roof and 27GE bogies, Rua dos Fanqueiros June 1993.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no.351 with reconstructed body, arch roof and 27GE bogies, Cais do Sodr\u00e9 June 1993.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
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Tramcar no.356 with stretched Standard body, hemispheric ventilators and 27GE bogies, ca.1970.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The tramcars nos.329, 330 and 348 are part of the Carris museum collection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Museum tram no.330 at Corpo Santo during the annual parade of 16 September 2018.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n